Comments on: To Tip or Not to Tip the Nutty Waiter? http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html Fresh Perspectives on blogging, social media and self improvement! Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:08:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: personal statement medical school http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-3#comment-9215 personal statement medical school Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:17:28 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9215 “The guy walked up to us and told us that we had forgotten to pay him the tip.” You and your friends must have been really pissed and surprised. What did you told the waiter? Have you considered talking to the manager? “The guy walked up to us and told us that we had forgotten to pay him the tip.”

You and your friends must have been really pissed and surprised. What did you told the waiter? Have you considered talking to the manager?

]]> By: erotiske artikler http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-3#comment-9203 erotiske artikler Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:08:02 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9203 "The hot and spicy food was getting to us and in the absence of water, we decided we were not going to tip them." Tips are customer's prerogatives. And of course, customers would only grant tips if the waiters are worthy of that. You got bad service, so definitely, you shouldn't give tips. "As ridiculous as it sounds, we recently also started noticing that this place has started to include the tip in the check when it’s first given to you so if you do not notice it, and end up giving 15% to 20% on top of that." Honestly, what kind of restaurant is that? It should have been closed down. “The hot and spicy food was getting to us and in the absence of water, we decided we were not going to tip them.”

Tips are customer’s prerogatives. And of course, customers would only grant tips if the waiters are worthy of that. You got bad service, so definitely, you shouldn’t give tips.

“As ridiculous as it sounds, we recently also started noticing that this place has started to include the tip in the check when it’s first given to you so if you do not notice it, and end up giving 15% to 20% on top of that.”

Honestly, what kind of restaurant is that? It should have been closed down.

]]> By: http://2ndweddinganniversary.com/ http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-3#comment-9150 http://2ndweddinganniversary.com/ Sat, 01 Aug 2009 10:45:32 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9150 I usually tip waiters, bartenders, all the grunt workers. One time, a certain customer who complains a lot about the service in the restaurant he was, the bummed up waiter knows a wicked move to retaliate that irate customer. What do you know, the customer enjoyed his dinner and leaves, only to find out that the waited spat on that customer's food. So we should be nice and generous to waiters. :) I usually tip waiters, bartenders, all the grunt workers. One time, a certain customer who complains a lot about the service in the restaurant he was, the bummed up waiter knows a wicked move to retaliate that irate customer. What do you know, the customer enjoyed his dinner and leaves, only to find out that the waited spat on that customer’s food. So we should be nice and generous to waiters. :)

]]> By: Breaking News http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-3#comment-9141 Breaking News Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:09:01 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9141 This post is a good one. What i feel is that we should not encourage tips. This post is a good one. What i feel is that we should not encourage tips.

]]> By: Nonfault claims http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-3#comment-9126 Nonfault claims Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:08:00 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9126 I can't tolerate such type of things. A waiter deserve tip when he/she provide the best service to their customer, otherwise no one can want to visit again a such type of place where you not satisfied.. I can’t tolerate such type of things. A waiter deserve tip when he/she provide the best service to their customer, otherwise no one can want to visit again a such type of place where you not satisfied..

]]> By: TatianaV http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-3#comment-9122 TatianaV Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:12:08 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9122 Here in The Netherlands there is service included in the bill, and we do not have to pay 15% or 20% on top like in the US. Most people do add a tip when the service etc have been exceptionally good. I would have acted the same way like you and your friends did however, and the waiter was definitely insane to chase you in the parking lot asking for the tip... :) Here in The Netherlands there is service included in the bill, and we do not have to pay 15% or 20% on top like in the US. Most people do add a tip when the service etc have been exceptionally good. I would have acted the same way like you and your friends did however, and the waiter was definitely insane to chase you in the parking lot asking for the tip… :)

]]> By: Lena http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-3#comment-9118 Lena Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:23:13 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9118 I always leave the waiter a 15% if I am satisfied with their service. Otherwise I do not leave money and I make sure to change the restaurant. In this way, I do not have the tension and it is ok. I always leave the waiter a 15% if I am satisfied with their service. Otherwise I do not leave money and I make sure to change the restaurant. In this way, I do not have the tension and it is ok.

]]> By: dehydration symptoms http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-3#comment-9115 dehydration symptoms Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:18:12 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9115 Funny— I have about the same scale in my head as you do, it sounds like: 15% is his/hers to lose, and I will go to 20% if they make an effort, as is often the case in the US (side contention: I think that the US has waitstaff whose friendliness/competence rivals anywhere in the world, that I’ve seen, but that’s another post). In this case, I’m sorry, it sounds like he’s on the way out anyway, and I’d give him nothing at all, not even another thought. Funny— I have about the same scale in my head as you do, it sounds like: 15% is his/hers to lose, and I will go to 20% if they make an effort, as is often the case in the US (side contention: I think that the US has waitstaff whose friendliness/competence rivals anywhere in the world, that I’ve seen, but that’s another post).
In this case, I’m sorry, it sounds like he’s on the way out anyway, and I’d give him nothing at all, not even another thought.

]]> By: Statsman http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-9111 Statsman Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:14:19 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9111 I have a feeling there will be many that would like what I have to say, but I am with Aurelius from Australia. To me tipping is a bonus NOT pay for services. A restaurant should pay their waiter and waitresses a wage appropriate for their job. I deal with customer value all the time in my job as a quality consultant and the way I look at tipping is that the waiter/waitress needs to add value to my dinning experience go get the a tip from me. If they just take my order and deliver it no followup they get nothing. I can get better service at a fast food place. If they give me exception service then they will get a good tip over 20%. Statsman <a> World Class Six Sigma Training and Coaching </a> <abbr><em>Statsmans last blog post..<a href="http://www.sixsigmatrainingconsulting.com/success-stories/healthcare/healthcare-of-the-future-conference-to-be-held-in-tucson-on-october-13-2009/">Healthcare of the Future Conference To Be Held in Tucson on October 13, 2009</a></em></abbr> I have a feeling there will be many that would like what I have to say, but I am with Aurelius from Australia. To me tipping is a bonus NOT pay for services. A restaurant should pay their waiter and waitresses a wage appropriate for their job. I deal with customer value all the time in my job as a quality consultant and the way I look at tipping is that the waiter/waitress needs to add value to my dinning experience go get the a tip from me. If they just take my order and deliver it no followup they get nothing. I can get better service at a fast food place. If they give me exception service then they will get a good tip over 20%.

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]]> By: Bruce Cigarettes http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-9109 Bruce Cigarettes Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:08:47 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-9109 I once had a similar experience with a rude waitress in a bar. I decided to tip her 10% instead of 15%, after I had run up a tab. She had been rude to me and my date all evening. When she got the bill, she hurried over to my table and loudly said, "Is there some kind of problem?!" It was a little embarrasing in front of my date, as she was creating a scene. To make matters worse, she had summoned her manager, who was now on the scene, demanding that I pay 15%. Instead of trying to argue about it, I just paid the extra money, and told them that they had lost a patron, and that I would never recommend their establishment to anyone again. They went out of business about six months later. I once had a similar experience with a rude waitress in a bar. I decided to tip her 10% instead of 15%, after I had run up a tab. She had been rude to me and my date all evening.

When she got the bill, she hurried over to my table and loudly said, “Is there some kind of problem?!” It was a little embarrasing in front of my date, as she was creating a scene. To make matters worse, she had summoned her manager, who was now on the scene, demanding that I pay 15%.

Instead of trying to argue about it, I just paid the extra money, and told them that they had lost a patron, and that I would never recommend their establishment to anyone again.

They went out of business about six months later.

]]> By: judith http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6478 judith Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:42:00 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6478 A tip isn't 'a right' it has to be earned in exchange for good and efficient service. There are low paid workers in all walks of life and not all of them have the opportunity for 'tips' to boost their earnings. I sympathise with such people, but chasing a tip is simply not on. A tip isn’t ‘a right’ it has to be earned in exchange for good and efficient service. There are low paid workers in all walks of life and not all of them have the opportunity for ‘tips’ to boost their earnings. I sympathise with such people, but chasing a tip is simply not on.

]]> By: Darlene http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6374 Darlene Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:46:57 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6374 I was a server for over two years and then went to work as a barista for another year. In some states restaurants are not required to pay their employees min wage (it's usually 1/2 min wage), in those states it's accepting to feel a bit of an obligation because they're not being paid fully by their employer. However, I live in a state where min wage plus tips is being paid. Taking this into consideration, I would always tell my complaining co-workers that they should always be greatful for anything they receive because people working in retail (trust me, that's a far worse job than waiting tables) ONLY make min wage with very small 10 cent raises every 6 months usually maxing out around $10 an hour. I never feel bad leaving a poorly served table with little or no tip, but do feel great to leave a well served table with a great tip. I think that it's completely assinine to assume that a tip is a requirement (unless for a large group). A tip is just that, a tip. If the restaurants want their staff to receive more money they should raise the prices of the food and pay them more. I was a server for over two years and then went to work as a barista for another year. In some states restaurants are not required to pay their employees min wage (it’s usually 1/2 min wage), in those states it’s accepting to feel a bit of an obligation because they’re not being paid fully by their employer. However, I live in a state where min wage plus tips is being paid. Taking this into consideration, I would always tell my complaining co-workers that they should always be greatful for anything they receive because people working in retail (trust me, that’s a far worse job than waiting tables) ONLY make min wage with very small 10 cent raises every 6 months usually maxing out around $10 an hour. I never feel bad leaving a poorly served table with little or no tip, but do feel great to leave a well served table with a great tip. I think that it’s completely assinine to assume that a tip is a requirement (unless for a large group). A tip is just that, a tip. If the restaurants want their staff to receive more money they should raise the prices of the food and pay them more.

]]> By: pearl http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6126 pearl Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:50:36 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6126 @Bobby: this happened in America ;-) I doubt their wages are less than 3 bucks... that's below minimum wage, how can that be? @Mr. Article: they do work pretty hard most days probably but that day we didn't really see them around so we had no way of knowing if they were working or not :) @AutoCad: now that's exemplary, your waitress still keeping the norms that you established.. @FatherOfAsh: hmm, firing would be pretty drastic I believe, but a bit of talk to him by the manager would do for me :) @TRCoach: there could be miriad reasons I agree but still, as customers, we sure freaked out :) and I don't think their behavior was based on our behavior! @faculty jobs: glad to have you here, thanks @psychic: hmm, many days I feel like whacking all my spammers for a change too :D @Sueblimely: exactly, I have a hard time agreeing with this practice of including tips in the bill - specially as they don't tell you if you somehow missed it and paid the tip on top of the tip! @Bobby: this happened in America ;-) I doubt their wages are less than 3 bucks… that’s below minimum wage, how can that be?

@Mr. Article: they do work pretty hard most days probably but that day we didn’t really see them around so we had no way of knowing if they were working or not :)

@AutoCad: now that’s exemplary, your waitress still keeping the norms that you established..

@FatherOfAsh: hmm, firing would be pretty drastic I believe, but a bit of talk to him by the manager would do for me :)

@TRCoach: there could be miriad reasons I agree but still, as customers, we sure freaked out :) and I don’t think their behavior was based on our behavior!

@faculty jobs: glad to have you here, thanks

@psychic: hmm, many days I feel like whacking all my spammers for a change too :D

@Sueblimely: exactly, I have a hard time agreeing with this practice of including tips in the bill – specially as they don’t tell you if you somehow missed it and paid the tip on top of the tip!

]]> By: Sueblimely http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6110 Sueblimely Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:19:19 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6110 As Aurelius says, tipping is not expected as much as in US (or the UK)although it is still commonly done in restaurants. Minimum wage rate laws mean that you will not see $2.95 pay rates - I doubt even if it were cash in hand and the person was illegally collecting the dole too. I will tip in a restaurant only if the service warrants it and definately not if it were already included in the bill. Sueblimelys last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BloggingSueblimely/~3/397496699/">The Wordpress CMS Site is Launched</a> As Aurelius says, tipping is not expected as much as in US (or the UK)although it is still commonly done in restaurants. Minimum wage rate laws mean that you will not see $2.95 pay rates – I doubt even if it were cash in hand and the person was illegally collecting the dole too.

I will tip in a restaurant only if the service warrants it and definately not if it were already included in the bill.

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]]> By: psychic http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6104 psychic Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:02:12 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6104 I think this is something that can be left to the instincts. You can whack him if you like too. I think this is something that can be left to the instincts.

You can whack him if you like too.

]]> By: faculty jobs http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6063 faculty jobs Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:29:23 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6063 I am a fan of the minimum tip of 15%. Maybe the bad service you got was on a really bad day. I do reward good service with a better tip though. I am a fan of the minimum tip of 15%. Maybe the bad service you got was on a really bad day. I do reward good service with a better tip though.

]]> By: Personal Development by TRCoach http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6054 Personal Development by TRCoach Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:44:01 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6054 Sometimes service is poor but it is not the server's fault. Even when it is the server, often there are mitigating circumstances. The person is new,has far too many people too serve, or maybe just having a bad day - as long as they are trying then I can forgive and leave a tip. More often than not, I get good service because I'm friendly and fair. Thanks, Tom Personal Development by TRCoachs last blog post..<a href="http://trcoach.com/2008/09/09/take-a-good-look-around/">Take a Good Look Around</a> Sometimes service is poor but it is not the server’s fault. Even when it is the server, often there are mitigating circumstances. The person is new,has far too many people too serve, or maybe just having a bad day – as long as they are trying then I can forgive and leave a tip. More often than not, I get good service because I’m friendly and fair.
Thanks, Tom

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]]> By: FatherOfAsh http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6050 FatherOfAsh Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:00:14 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6050 Oh, heck no. To be brutally honest, that waiter is lucky to have pulled this on you, not me. My response to that sort of behavior is to stride straight back into a restaurant and demand to see a manager and explain what just happened and why that stunt means I won't be setting foot in that establishment again. A guy like that not only deserves to go without a tip, but really should be fired on the spot. FatherOfAshs last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ExpressionsOfJayDrake/~3/370304448/">Way Off My Diet</a> Oh, heck no. To be brutally honest, that waiter is lucky to have pulled this on you, not me. My response to that sort of behavior is to stride straight back into a restaurant and demand to see a manager and explain what just happened and why that stunt means I won’t be setting foot in that establishment again.

A guy like that not only deserves to go without a tip, but really should be fired on the spot.

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]]> By: Mr Article http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6045 Mr Article Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:23:12 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6045 That sounds pretty alarming and rude... But anyway, i usually will always tip the waiter no matter the service, it's just something i've always done without thinking, they work pretty hard and probably get fed up doing it so i like to make sure they can live... or at least do my part. Mr Articles last blog post..<a href="http://www.mrarticle.com/questions-answers/what-do-snails-eat/">What do snails eat?</a> That sounds pretty alarming and rude… But anyway, i usually will always tip the waiter no matter the service, it’s just something i’ve always done without thinking, they work pretty hard and probably get fed up doing it so i like to make sure they can live… or at least do my part.

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]]> By: Bobby Revell http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6041 Bobby Revell Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:33:20 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6041 Haha! I would freak out if they stopped me in the parking lot for money! In America, most waiters and waitresses make $2.13 per hour, so if they don't get tipped, they don't make enough money to live. I am a good tipper, but only if I get good service. I let them slide if they are obviously overworked and tip them even if I get bad service :smile: Haha! I would freak out if they stopped me in the parking lot for money! In America, most waiters and waitresses make $2.13 per hour, so if they don’t get tipped, they don’t make enough money to live. I am a good tipper, but only if I get good service. I let them slide if they are obviously overworked and tip them even if I get bad service :smile:

]]> By: AutoCad Services Atlanta http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6040 AutoCad Services Atlanta Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:26:41 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6040 I usually tip between 10 - 20% (and even more if they were really good) depending on the service. If the service is real bad I will be real stingy! A tip is supposed to be for good service - should not be expected. We opened and ran a small cafe for a year - we taught our wait staff about good service and a welcoming personality. The cafe is still doing well four years later (our waitress bought it from us) and still gives great service. I usually tip between 10 – 20% (and even more if they were really good) depending on the service. If the service is real bad I will be real stingy! A tip is supposed to be for good service – should not be expected. We opened and ran a small cafe for a year – we taught our wait staff about good service and a welcoming personality. The cafe is still doing well four years later (our waitress bought it from us) and still gives great service.

]]> By: pearl http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6036 pearl Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:43:51 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6036 @betshopboy: I think there shouldn't be a mandatory service charge above and beyond regular salary, in any country... well, may be in some countries there should be, I don't know.. 'coz at some places may be servers HAVE TO work harder than here in US but like you said, what's the incentive then? @MorganLighter: As bizarre as it was, I think someone from the restaurant might have seen him talking to us in the parking lot, so their service was much better last over the weekend.. who knows! we decided to stay away from them for some time and not push our luck though :) @betshopboy: I think there shouldn’t be a mandatory service charge above and beyond regular salary, in any country… well, may be in some countries there should be, I don’t know.. ‘coz at some places may be servers HAVE TO work harder than here in US but like you said, what’s the incentive then?

@MorganLighter: As bizarre as it was, I think someone from the restaurant might have seen him talking to us in the parking lot, so their service was much better last over the weekend.. who knows! we decided to stay away from them for some time and not push our luck though :)

]]> By: MorganLighter http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6033 MorganLighter Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:38:24 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6033 What nerve the "un-waiter" exhibited. I would have, after being accosted by this idiot, returned to the restaurant and had a talk with the manager/owner. Had the manager/owner responded with indifference - then he would have lost my business and I would tell 'the world' about the outlandish behavior which I had experienced. Regarding the amount to tip - poor service - 0%, fair service - 10%, great service - 20%. What nerve the “un-waiter” exhibited. I would have, after being accosted by this idiot, returned to the restaurant and had a talk with the manager/owner. Had the manager/owner responded with indifference – then he would have lost my business and I would tell ‘the world’ about the outlandish behavior which I had experienced.

Regarding the amount to tip – poor service – 0%, fair service – 10%, great service – 20%.

]]> By: betshopboy http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6030 betshopboy Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:57:16 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6030 We do not have a tipping culture here in Singapore because there's a mandatory service charge of 10% levied on customer by service providers. It is no wonder that service standards here are on a decline as such mandatory service charge does not provide any incentive for service providers to go out of their way to provide good service. In short, even if the service was poor or there's minimum service like in your case reported in this post, a 10% service charge will still be added to the final bill. betshopboys last blog post..<a href="http://www.betshopboy.net/2008/09/07/inspire-yourself/">Inspire Yourself</a> We do not have a tipping culture here in Singapore because there’s a mandatory service charge of 10% levied on customer by service providers.

It is no wonder that service standards here are on a decline as such mandatory service charge does not provide any incentive for service providers to go out of their way to provide good service.

In short, even if the service was poor or there’s minimum service like in your case reported in this post, a 10% service charge will still be added to the final bill.

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]]> By: pearl http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6024 pearl Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:23:57 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6024 @Anti Scams: I never said the food was not good, it was spicy and hot and we needed someone to give us water so even after asking for it a few times, no one cared to bring it to us @Dee: exactly.. that's what irked us too @Aruni: I'm all for not leaving any tips for buffets too.. I may consider this for future @Bean Jones: I agree.. we should have complained but shied away for some reason.. also, it was lunch time and we all needed to get back to work @John Real Estate: I admit we were harsh and now it doesn't seem to be as big of a deal but at the time, we really felt the spicy food got to us ;) oh well.. @Computer Guy: thanks! they shouldn't automatically get the tips.. tips are the reward for being good I agree.. @Neolight: agree.. he lost because of his attitude and if he had not come out of the restaurant to chase us, may be we would've forgotten the next time around but now we'll remember :) @banquet manager: welcome! thanks for stopping by @RennyBA: hehe, we paid them the price of lunch :) @Clyde: it's funny that we went to the same restaurant last night and there were a couple of servers hovering around us from time to time.. service was extra-ordinary and I started feeling uneasy and thought someone might have found out I blogged about them ;) not that I mentioned any names, may be I felt a bit guilty lol thanks guys for all the comments, I really appreciate it. Sorry for late replies..I'll do better I promise ... Please visit again! @Anti Scams: I never said the food was not good, it was spicy and hot and we needed someone to give us water so even after asking for it a few times, no one cared to bring it to us

@Dee: exactly.. that’s what irked us too

@Aruni: I’m all for not leaving any tips for buffets too.. I may consider this for future

@Bean Jones: I agree.. we should have complained but shied away for some reason.. also, it was lunch time and we all needed to get back to work

@John Real Estate: I admit we were harsh and now it doesn’t seem to be as big of a deal but at the time, we really felt the spicy food got to us ;) oh well..

@Computer Guy: thanks! they shouldn’t automatically get the tips.. tips are the reward for being good I agree..

@Neolight: agree.. he lost because of his attitude and if he had not come out of the restaurant to chase us, may be we would’ve forgotten the next time around but now we’ll remember :)

@banquet manager: welcome! thanks for stopping by

@RennyBA: hehe, we paid them the price of lunch :)

@Clyde: it’s funny that we went to the same restaurant last night and there were a couple of servers hovering around us from time to time.. service was extra-ordinary and I started feeling uneasy and thought someone might have found out I blogged about them ;) not that I mentioned any names, may be I felt a bit guilty lol

thanks guys for all the comments, I really appreciate it. Sorry for late replies..I’ll do better I promise … Please visit again!

]]> By: Clyde Dennis http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6015 Clyde Dennis Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:23:00 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6015 This is a subject that is somewhat near and dear to my heart having spent a considerable amount of my life working in the food service industry. It was always my understanding that a tip was extra for 'Extra Effort' given. The servers regular wage is what they're entitled to for showing up and staying at work on any particular day. However this has changed dramatically as restaurants have somehow managed to become legally able to pay servers less than half of the already ridiculous minimum wage. While I do certainly feel for the server I'm not real big on 'entitlement' and so feel no obligation to provide any payment above and beyond the stated prices on the menu. That said I am absolutely willing and do in fact 'Tip' very well those who put forth the effort to earn it. For those restaurants that insist that I reward poor service by automatically including a gratuity on my check even when the service was clearly sub-par I make it a point to make my point with the acting PIC and vote with my dollars. As in take them elsewhere next time. Clyde Denniss last blog post..<a href="http://clydedennis.com/inspiration/40/you-have-the-ability-to-be-great.htm">You Have The Ability To Be Great</a> This is a subject that is somewhat near and dear to my heart having spent a considerable amount of my life working in the food service industry.

It was always my understanding that a tip was extra for ‘Extra Effort’ given. The servers regular wage is what they’re entitled to for showing up and staying at work on any particular day. However this has changed dramatically as restaurants have somehow managed to become legally able to pay servers less than half of the already ridiculous minimum wage.

While I do certainly feel for the server I’m not real big on ‘entitlement’ and so feel no obligation to provide any payment above and beyond the stated prices on the menu. That said I am absolutely willing and do in fact ‘Tip’ very well those who put forth the effort to earn it.

For those restaurants that insist that I reward poor service by automatically including a gratuity on my check even when the service was clearly sub-par I make it a point to make my point with the acting PIC and vote with my dollars. As in take them elsewhere next time.

Clyde Denniss last blog post..You Have The Ability To Be Great

]]> By: RennyBA http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6014 RennyBA Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:48:08 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6014 Well in Norway the prices are considerable high and the tips are most often included. It depends on the restaurant and the service, but I often add 10% anyway. Other kinds of services is not that common and always included - I mean in one way or the other, you pay for it: there is no such as a free lunch you know :-) RennyBAs last blog post..<a href="http://www.terella.no/2008/09/04/bergen-in-norway-with-fish-market-and-edvard-grieg/">Bergen in Norway with Fish Market and Edvard Grieg</a> Well in Norway the prices are considerable high and the tips are most often included. It depends on the restaurant and the service, but I often add 10% anyway. Other kinds of services is not that common and always included – I mean in one way or the other, you pay for it: there is no such as a free lunch you know :-)

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]]> By: banquet manager http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-2#comment-6013 banquet manager Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:25:33 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6013 Pearl, thanks for the response. <a href="http://soyouwanttobeabanquetmanager.blogspot.com">So You Want To Be a Banquet Manager</a> banquet managers last blog post..<a href="http://soyouwanttobeabanquetmanager.blogspot.com/2008/09/no-eating-in-kitchen-dammit.html">No Eating in the Kitchen Dammit!</a> Pearl, thanks for the response.
So You Want To Be a Banquet Manager

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]]> By: Neolight http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-1#comment-6010 Neolight Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:45:35 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6010 Funny--- I have about the same scale in my head as you do, it sounds like: 15% is his/hers to lose, and I will go to 20% if they make an effort, as is often the case in the US (side contention: I think that the US has waitstaff whose friendliness/competence rivals anywhere in the world, that I've seen, but that's another post). In this case, I'm sorry, it sounds like he's on the way out anyway, and I'd give him nothing at all, not even another thought. Funny— I have about the same scale in my head as you do, it sounds like: 15% is his/hers to lose, and I will go to 20% if they make an effort, as is often the case in the US (side contention: I think that the US has waitstaff whose friendliness/competence rivals anywhere in the world, that I’ve seen, but that’s another post).
In this case, I’m sorry, it sounds like he’s on the way out anyway, and I’d give him nothing at all, not even another thought.

]]> By: Atlanta Computer Repair Guy http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-1#comment-6000 Atlanta Computer Repair Guy Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:02:05 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-6000 I agree with the above posters. I probably would have asked the server to let us all go in and talk to the manager. I almost guarantee you that the waiter would have backed off. I was a restaurant manager for years before getting into computers. I would have definitely fired the server immediately for harrassing the customer. It's up to the server to deserve the tip. In this case, if you never saw the waiter again, I guess they didn't deserve the tip. Nothing worse than being thirsty and a stack of dirty dishes on the table. I agree with the above posters. I probably would have asked the server to let us all go in and talk to the manager. I almost guarantee you that the waiter would have backed off. I was a restaurant manager for years before getting into computers. I would have definitely fired the server immediately for harrassing the customer. It’s up to the server to deserve the tip.

In this case, if you never saw the waiter again, I guess they didn’t deserve the tip. Nothing worse than being thirsty and a stack of dirty dishes on the table.

]]> By: John Marland Real Estate http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-1#comment-5990 John Marland Real Estate Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:52:44 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-5990 I believe it's called a tip for a reason, it really bothers me when they automatically add in the gratuity. That being said I think the service would need to be absolutely horrible to even consider leaving less than 15%. John Marland Real Estates last blog post..<a href="http://www.johnedwardsproperties.com/BaltimoreCity.php">Baltimore Real Estate</a> I believe it’s called a tip for a reason, it really bothers me when they automatically add in the gratuity. That being said I think the service would need to be absolutely horrible to even consider leaving less than 15%.

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]]> By: Bean Jones http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-1#comment-5982 Bean Jones Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:42:25 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-5982 That was really outrageous on the part of the waiter. I might have called the restaurant manager afterward to report it. I'm big on customer service so if I receive exceptionally good service, I've left up to a 25-30% tip. But if it's just so-so service I'll leave 10-15%. If it's truly atrocious service I won't leave anything at all, and depending how awful the service is, I'll probably even have a chat with the manager. I know it might seem harsh but I believe that by not complaining we're actually saying that it's "ok" to receive bad service. Bean Joness last blog post..<a href="http://www.simpleology.com/blog/2008/09/the_simpleology_weigh-in_shoul.html">The Simpleology Weigh-In: Should You Jump on the Scale Everyday?</a> That was really outrageous on the part of the waiter. I might have called the restaurant manager afterward to report it.

I’m big on customer service so if I receive exceptionally good service, I’ve left up to a 25-30% tip. But if it’s just so-so service I’ll leave 10-15%.

If it’s truly atrocious service I won’t leave anything at all, and depending how awful the service is, I’ll probably even have a chat with the manager.

I know it might seem harsh but I believe that by not complaining we’re actually saying that it’s “ok” to receive bad service.

Bean Joness last blog post..The Simpleology Weigh-In: Should You Jump on the Scale Everyday?

]]> By: Aruni http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-1#comment-5976 Aruni Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:05:25 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-5976 Hi Pearl - I usually leave tip of about 20% but will reduce it if the service is bad or non-existent. I don't usually leave a tip at a buffet place because as you said they mainly serve water and the busboy/girl cleans up the dishes. If they are nice or it's a place I frequent often then even if it's a buffet I'll throw in a small tip but usually not 15% or more because the service level and requirement is so different in a buffet place vs. a sit down full service place. Arunis last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/entrepremusings/~3/380877765/">Traveling With Children - Know Your Rights and Limitations</a> Hi Pearl – I usually leave tip of about 20% but will reduce it if the service is bad or non-existent. I don’t usually leave a tip at a buffet place because as you said they mainly serve water and the busboy/girl cleans up the dishes. If they are nice or it’s a place I frequent often then even if it’s a buffet I’ll throw in a small tip but usually not 15% or more because the service level and requirement is so different in a buffet place vs. a sit down full service place.

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]]> By: Dee http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-1#comment-5972 Dee Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:17:19 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-5972 I'm surprised that he took notice of you leaving the restaurant in the first place. Obviously, he knew about his rights. Yet very little about customers rights. Lucky him. Thanks to you, he won't have to chase customers down to the parking lot any longer. Dees last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/dietivity/rOrc/~3/378951935/">How to Eat Healthy: Sugar Cravings Unleashed!</a> I’m surprised that he took notice of you leaving the restaurant in the first place. Obviously, he knew about his rights. Yet very little about customers rights. Lucky him. Thanks to you, he won’t have to chase customers down to the parking lot any longer.

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]]> By: Anti Scams Product Reviews http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html/comment-page-1#comment-5969 Anti Scams Product Reviews Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:10:59 +0000 http://fresh-perspectives.net/2008/08/tip-or-not-to-tip.html#comment-5969 I would give 12%-22% depending on the level of service. IMO the quality of food should not affect the tip (the waiter doesn't make the food, right ? ). Anti Scams Product Reviewss last blog post..<a href="http://www.antiscams.info/anti-scams/vanish-acne-in-3-days">Vanish Acne in 3 Days!</a> I would give 12%-22% depending on the level of service. IMO the quality of food should not affect the tip (the waiter doesn’t make the food, right ? ).

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