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To Tip or Not to Tip the Nutty Waiter?

This question has been on my mind for a few days.

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I went to a restaurant the other day with a few of my colleagues from work.  It was lunch time and this restaurant offers buffet for lunch. We have gone to this place many times before but recently there seems to be a new management and new crew.

At buffets, as you know, everyone gets their own servings and we all did.  The waiter came and filled our glasses with water but then after his first appearance, the waiter couldn’t be seen anywhere the entire time.  At one point we ran out of water and the food being very spicy and hot, we really needed it, the only thing that was not on the buffet table otherwise we would have gotten the refills ourselves.  This particular restaurant is quite famous in my town and gets filled beyond capacity during lunch so I understand that the staff usually gets busy (with what? I’m not sure) and cannot attend every customer individually.

The hot and spicy food was getting to us and in the absence of water,  we decided we were not going to tip them. (blame it on dehydration).

We finished our meal somehow and after paying at the front desk, headed to our cars while talking about how once this place used to be a very nice but the service was going downhill lately.   All of a sudden we heard someone calling us from behind: “Miss… excuse me ma’am..”  All four of us turned around and found that one of the waiters was walking towards us, with a smirk on his face.   Not understanding what his problem was, we stood there waiting to hear what was his problem. The guy walked up to us and told us that we had forgotten to pay him the tip.

Huh?  We were stunned and furious at his audacity.  How could he follow us in the parking lot asking for money?   All he did was fill our glasses with water one time at the beginning.   We wondered what that smirk was for… did he really think we were going to feel embarrassed and end up paying the tips in the parking lot?   Not to mention how suspiciously stupid the scene would have looked to someone – each of us handing over some money to a strange guy!

This is the first time in my life I’ve come across such behavior. No waiter in the world should be chasing customers in the parking lots to demand tips! We of course refused politely and said we didn’t think a gratuity was warranted as no service was provided, the guy insisted a couple of times but we just walked away!  Phew!   What has the world come to?

As ridiculous as it sounds, we recently also started noticing that this place has started to include the tip in the check when it’s first given to you so if you do not notice it, and end up giving 15% to 20% on top of that, it’s your fault and they will gladly take the money, knowing fully well that you didn’t notice the tip had already been added.  Not to mention, some restaurants charge you tip on the take-outs too!

So, here are my questions:

Do you always pay tips even when they don’t provide any service?

I mostly do but this one time we collectively decided not to and the waiter came after us!

How would you have handled this?  If you are not from United States, I’d love to know the custom and expectations in your country.

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kriz cpec

It depends in HK. some resturants have a 10% service charge policy, some don’t. If the food is good, I would give some (extra) tips.

And I forget where I read this: that in the States waiters have low basic wages and hence they are actually living on the tips from customers – so if the tips are not generous enough, those waiters would chase you all the way to get more tips. Now I see the story is real.

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pearl

@banquet manager: service charge added to private events makes a lot of sense than at a restaurant because at a private event, as a customer, I am the one getting ALL of their time and attention

@Anthony: agree with you completely that the servers should definitely be rewarded for their hard work BUT people who don’t leave the tips aren’t necessarily uneducated IMHO.. and my post is definitely not directed towards ALL the servers, and we did not go back in to complain but if he had continued chasing us further up to our cars, we’d definitely have gone back in.. coz that would be harassment…:(

@Joshua: I have a soft corner for anyone working hard for their money but I strongly feelthat a little courtesy towards customers can benefit them a lot

@ITGBlog: I agree we might have been harsh with him, but still, running after us in the parking lot while calling us out loud was freaky :)

@Adam: Applebees has let us down a bit too many times lately on the take outs but I never complained… just recently though one of my friends called them from his home after realizing that the Orange Chicken didn’t have any sauce and it was completely dry .. so their manager said they’d send him a complementary gift certificate for the same amount :)

@rummuser: right, there should be some training for the servers if they are right out of high school or some young teenagers but this guy was older and should have known better

@Mjuboy: sounds good and I bet they are too proud to ask for a tip :)

@HighGrace: thanks for the stumble :)

@Aurelius: I thought the same up until I started reading more on this after making this post.. that the tips were just the bonus and that someone nice(r) would make more in this job than someone who doesn’t care!

@Krix cpec: I hadn’t heard that in US they chase customers all the way to get more tips :) I am in US and this is the first time I’ve come across such behavior.. and it all depends on which restaurant you work for, not all are minimum wages..but tips do make a great bonus of course

@Everyone: thank you all for stopping by and contributing your opinions.. this waiter was definitely a bit out of line .. I do start at 15% also and then it depends if the service is better than average, I’ll even increase it up to 20%.. just yesterday gave my hairdresser almost 22% so no, I’m not stingy :) but none of us knew about leaving a quarter to get the message across… should have done that I suppose..

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I would give 12%-22% depending on the level of service. IMO the quality of food should not affect the tip (the waiter doesn’t make the food, right ? ).

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Dee

I’m surprised that he took notice of you leaving the restaurant in the first place. Obviously, he knew about his rights. Yet very little about customers rights. Lucky him. Thanks to you, he won’t have to chase customers down to the parking lot any longer.

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Aruni

Hi Pearl – I usually leave tip of about 20% but will reduce it if the service is bad or non-existent. I don’t usually leave a tip at a buffet place because as you said they mainly serve water and the busboy/girl cleans up the dishes. If they are nice or it’s a place I frequent often then even if it’s a buffet I’ll throw in a small tip but usually not 15% or more because the service level and requirement is so different in a buffet place vs. a sit down full service place.

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Bean Jones

That was really outrageous on the part of the waiter. I might have called the restaurant manager afterward to report it.

I’m big on customer service so if I receive exceptionally good service, I’ve left up to a 25-30% tip. But if it’s just so-so service I’ll leave 10-15%.

If it’s truly atrocious service I won’t leave anything at all, and depending how awful the service is, I’ll probably even have a chat with the manager.

I know it might seem harsh but I believe that by not complaining we’re actually saying that it’s “ok” to receive bad service.

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John Marland Real Estate

I believe it’s called a tip for a reason, it really bothers me when they automatically add in the gratuity. That being said I think the service would need to be absolutely horrible to even consider leaving less than 15%.

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Atlanta Computer Repair Guy

I agree with the above posters. I probably would have asked the server to let us all go in and talk to the manager. I almost guarantee you that the waiter would have backed off. I was a restaurant manager for years before getting into computers. I would have definitely fired the server immediately for harrassing the customer. It’s up to the server to deserve the tip.

In this case, if you never saw the waiter again, I guess they didn’t deserve the tip. Nothing worse than being thirsty and a stack of dirty dishes on the table.

Neolight

Funny— I have about the same scale in my head as you do, it sounds like: 15% is his/hers to lose, and I will go to 20% if they make an effort, as is often the case in the US (side contention: I think that the US has waitstaff whose friendliness/competence rivals anywhere in the world, that I’ve seen, but that’s another post).
In this case, I’m sorry, it sounds like he’s on the way out anyway, and I’d give him nothing at all, not even another thought.

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Pearl, thanks for the response.
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